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From: jastewar@pilot.njin.net (Jim Stewart)
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Subject: Re: bad acid trips
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rubble@leland.Stanford.EDU (Adam Heath Clark) writes:

>a friend recently advised me not to drop acid and to just stick to
>shrooms.  she said that bad acid trips were so awful that it was not
>worth running the risk.  i'm wondering what other people think about
>this.  how bad are bad trips?  is there any way to minimize the chance
>of having a bad trip?  i've dropped acid twice and loved every minute
>of it, but i don't want to fuck myself up.

>thanks

>adam

Although I've never done shrooms, somehow I think that they're just as
capable of causing a "bad trip" as LSD is. It's not the drug causing you to
have a "bad trip" directly, it's some sort of psychological problem that the
drug just amplifies. I've tripped maybe 30 times, and I've never had what I'd
call a bad trip. I've had plenty of "unpleasant" trips..ones where the
overall experience just didn't seem worth it in retrospect..but they all have
their ups & downs. I can't ever envision myself having a bad trip of the
type that everyone hears about. I'm just not that emotional sober really..I
mean, nothing really scares me or depresses me to the point of hysteria..I
just operate on a "fuck it, shit happens" philosophy..and that carries over
into tripping too. If I start to get down about something, I just think
"oh well, I'll worry about something else".

I'm not denying the existance of bad trips..I've seen it happen to a close
friend. I just think that it's something avoidable. In any case, you know
better than anyone how your mind works. Do you think you can handle it
based on your own experiences? If so, you probably can. If you have any
misgivings at all, then you probably shouldn't be tripping to begin with.

Just remember..it's not the drug that's the cause, it's your mind.

--Jim

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From: keith@brahms.udel.edu (Keith Edward Huss)
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Subject: Re: HELP FOR A BAD TRIP.
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In article <275ede$df6@clarknet.clark.net> juanm@clarknet.clark.net (Juan Molinari) writes:
>pck@acsu.buffalo.edu (P. C. Kilinskas) writes:
>>>A FOAF has used acid 2 times before , but both times has had good trips.
>>>He asked me to inquire what a person can do if your trip does 'decide' 
>>>to go bad. Is there also  way to temporarily stall / stop the trip?
>>I always wondered if nitrous would be good to this end... has anybody ever
>>tried using it while having a bad trip to turn it around?
>
>	I have done LSD and I have done other kinds of inhalants of the same
>class as nitrous, but not at the same time.  However, I'm fairly certain
>that if the bad trip is derived from feelings that the trip is "out of
>control" and that you (the tripper) are tripping too hard, then this is
>certain not going to help.  The combination of those two altered states
>would be like banging your head on a brick wall and then going bungee
>jumping right afterwards.

Sometimes the bad trip derived from feelings that the trip is "out of control"
is due to the fact that the tripper has taken an intermediate dose.  There 
are times when "almost there" is frightening.  The ego still holds on tight
to reality and refuses to let go.  This can be a terrifying battle.  There
are many terms for letting go of the ego; it is a very difficult process for 
most people  Some folks claim that the best solution here is boosting 
(more LSD) to get over that uncomfortable threshold between reality and ...
A higher dose overwhelms the ego -- you've heard the expression ego death?
See Peter Stafford's Psychedelics Encyclopedia for this approach.

Who knows?  Nitrous may do the same thing?  

Having never tried this remedy, I cannot recommend it -- only repeat it.

--keith
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From: maass@orchis.enet.dec.com (Joerg Maass)
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Subject: Re: HELP FOR A BAD TRIP.
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In article <273s40$sl4@itu1.sun.ac.za>, qball@cs.sun.ac.za (Tarquin Lessing 93-40327) writes:
>
>Yo
>
To you, too :-)
>
>A FOAF has used acid 2 times before , but both times has had good trips.
>He asked me to inquire what a person can do if your trip does 'decide' 
>to go bad. Is there also  way to temporarily stall / stop the trip?
>
>Also what is the best way to enjoy an acis trip , any suggestions on
>what he can do for a good , 'friendly' trip?
>
-- 

I had a horror trip when I first tried LSD (well, part of the trip).
Fortunately, it was at the end of the journey, so I just told myself: "Fuck
these images, they're not real!" This may not work when you're tripping real
hard :-). I'd think that some good, friendly people around you and a couple of
Valiums should help a lot.

First rule of tripping: Do it when you feel good, do it in a place you like, do
it with people you trust and like. It should be ok then.


Joerg Maass

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From: Mike_Balch@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Balch)
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Subject: Re: HELP FOR A BAD TRIP.
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pck@acsu.buffalo.edu (P. C. Kilinskas) writes:
>>A FOAF has used acid 2 times before , but both times has had good trips.
>>He asked me to inquire what a person can do if your trip does 'decide'
>>to go bad. Is there also  way to temporarily stall top the trip?
>I always wondered if nitrous would be good to this end... has anybody ever
>tried using it while having a bad trip to turn it around?

Inhalants in my experience amplified the 'rush' of the trip, plus added a
really smarting headache to the mash.  I've found some weak warm tea, a quiet
room and some Vitamin B (preferably high in B1 and B12) and Vitamin C really
help to calm the nerves and level out the effect of the trip.

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From: csc@pilot.njin.net (Sean Casey)
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Subject: Re: HELP FOR A BAD TRIP.
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Three  (okay, four) rules for tripping:

    1. You WILL come down.
    2. If things start getting bad, think good thoughts.
    3. People can't tell you're tripping.

and the newest:

    4. If all of a sudden you feel normal, it's temporary. :)


Greg Mosheh coined a cool term for this: a "flashout". Perhaps it's
the sudden crystallization of LSD in your brain ;).

Sean



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something to be gotten rid of, but something to be danced with.''
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From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
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Subject: Re: HELP FOR A BAD TRIP.
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In article 6684@pilot.njin.net, csc@pilot.njin.net (Sean Casey) writes:
> 
> Three  (okay, four) rules for tripping:
> 
>     1. You WILL come down.
>     2. If things start getting bad, think good thoughts.
>     3. People can't tell you're tripping.
> 
> and the newest:
> 
>     4. If all of a sudden you feel normal, it's temporary. :)

Our Three Rules:

        1) Fire hurts.

        2) You can't fly.

        3) It will be over in a few hours.

I do like your #4, though...of course, it's not limited to tripping!

have fun
gak
---
Richard Stueven        gak@wrs.com         attmail!gakhaus!gak     209/15/19&20

	The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered
	considerably by the Prohibition law. For nothing is more
	destructive of respect for the government and the law of the
	land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open
	secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is
	closely connected with this.
     		-- Albert Einstein, "My First Impression of the U.S.A.", 1921

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From: bpaul@ (Brooke Paul)
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Subject: Re: HELP FOR A BAD TRIP
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In article <0097299C.9DE2B4F4@pomona.claremont.edu> agaluhn@pomona.claremont.edu writes:
>In article <277rfs$pci@news.u.washington.edu>, lamontg@cs.washington.edu writes:
>>milhouse.caltech.edu!patricke (Patrick Elazem) writes:
>>>Try 6 tablets of Vitamin B6. Should end the trip within half an hour. Good  
>>>luck.

	Try a heavy dose of benzodiazepines (100 mg. Xanax should do it).  
If you can't do that, try 2 bottles of Jack Daniels.
Whatever you do, don`t take anymore of what gave you the bad trip until you 
assess it with a straight head.  After that you may decide that it was
a good experience.


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Subject: Re: HELP FOR A BAD TRIP.
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In article , pck@acsu.buffalo.edu (P. C. Kilinskas) writes:
> qball@cs.sun.ac.za (Tarquin Lessing 93-40327) writes:
> 
>>A FOAF has used acid 2 times before , but both times has had good trips.
>>He asked me to inquire what a person can do if your trip does 'decide' 
>>to go bad. Is there also  way to temporarily stall / stop the trip?
> 
> I always wondered if nitrous would be good to this end... has anybody ever
> tried using it while having a bad trip to turn it aroun


It's not the trip deciding it's YOU deciding. Maybe not knowingly but it is
you.

Just drink a lot of beer and pass out. Keep some valium on hand, or somas ..
they'll calm you down.

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>Also what is the best way to enjoy an acis trip , any suggestions on
>what he can do for a good , 'friendly' trip?


An acid trip is a very ambiguous  thing... You cannot make it so the trip

will be good or bad. Some factor however will mostly influence the trip.

1- The person's mood
2- His health status
3- What he had for lunch (Amazing but true... Never do acid on an empty 
stomach)

If he's in a good mood, his trip will most likely be good. If he's pissed, he

risk a very BAD trip.

Also, someone who is sick or depressed will most likely have a bad trip, due 
to the reaction of is body to cheap lsd...

Chris G.


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From: csc@pilot.njin.net (Sean Casey)
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Subject: Re: HELP FOR A BAD TRIP.
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I write:

|    1. You WILL come down.
|    2. If things start getting bad, think good thoughts.
|    3. People can't tell you're tripping.
|    4. If all of a sudden you feel normal, it's temporary. :)

After deliberating with a couple of friends, I think #5 is needed:

     5. If things start going bad, TELL A FRIEND.


I've seen people quietly suffer before not knowing they were having
such an awful time. Most experienced trippers (that I know) will help
you out extravagantly if you just let them know. It can turn a very
awful trip into a very positive one.

I'm working on an "owners manual" for LSD. I'm neither pro-use or
anti-use but I am definitely for people being very informed.

If you'd care to post or send me your suggestions for dealing with or
helping a friend deal with a bad trip it'd be really helpful. I'd like
to teach people how to get the most out of it, and how to deal with
problems should they occur. I think the confidence in knowing how to
deal with things will make for a positive mindset, rather than one
that is just looking for trouble.

That way, should someone decide to do it, they can get it right the
first time :).

Sean
-- 
``Wind, waves, etc. are breakdowns in the face of the commitment to
getting from here to there. But they are conditions for sailing -- not
something to be gotten rid of, but something to be danced with.''
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From: amason@cs.uct.ac.za (Ashton Mason)
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Subject: Re: HELP FOR A BAD TRIP.
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In  csc@pilot.njin.net (Sean Casey) writes:

>I write:

>|    1. You WILL come down.
>|    2. If things start getting bad, think good thoughts.
>|    3. People can't tell you're tripping.
>|    4. If all of a sudden you feel normal, it's temporary. :)
>     5. If things start going bad, TELL A FRIEND.

I would suggest :

6. Remind yourself occasionally not to take things too seriously.

Often, what a friend can do for you is distract you from your own concerns.

I think this is also good advice for life in general.

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From: ckk@uchicago.edu (Christopher K. Koenigsberg)
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Subject: Re: HELP FOR A BAD TRIP.
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Posted for a friend without net access:

The times in the distant past when this friend of a friend used to do that
Bad Trip sort of thing and got too far out once in a while, it was NOT such
an easy matter to get out of. It was NOT just possible to "tell a friend"
or "remind oneself not to take things so seriously" and have the bad trip
end. That's the whole point of why a Bad Trip is different from anything
else, because it has gotten Inside you, inside the wall of consciousness
past the barrier of Other to the inside of the Self, where it really can
totally fuck you up unless you learn real quick how to adjust your
parameters of your self-awareness and flow with it.

In fact, the FOAF was in fact trying to do these very things (tell a
friend, don't take it seriously), desperately trying, but they weren't
enough. There was also a substantial amount of almost physical
learning-to-swim involved, learning to fall overboard in a stormy raging
sea and just keep one's head above water, not to drown but just to hang on,
until the storm had passed.

In fact, under the most extreme strong bad trip situations, the only thing
that really helped was TIME, hours of time, waiting & riding it out.
Obviously this also required retreating to a safe space in which the time
could be spent riding it out, sheltered from non-sympathetic real world
people & concerns. Obviously physical creature comforts helped somewhat but
the real trouble did not subside until hours and hours had passed.

There were incidents in which all of the FOAF's friends were untrustworthy
because it was not clear whether they were really the human friends, or
some kind of alien simulacra constructed out of the FOAF's memories, for
example.

Another incident involved a party full of somewhat friendly if slightly
indifferent people, a small dog, and the phone ringing, and sudden intense
paranoia involving a whole fantasy terror idea of what the phone call was
about, and how the dog was going to come over and implicate the FOAF in an
involved uncovered illegal situation.

There was another incident in which time had apparently been sped up and
then run backwards, so the FOAF was experiencing something millions of
years in the future, then slowly running backwards, into the past, not sure
where the present reality was.

In all these cases, this FOAF had developed an ultimately successful
strategy of hanging on and perhaps sliding off to hide quietly in a corner.
Once the FOAF even had to go climb into a closet, close the door, and stand
there in the closet, all alone, for an hour while a party raged on just
outside the door, until finally he felt calmer and could emerge long enough
to have a brief and shaky conversation with one trusted couple who happened
to be just outside.

Another time the strategy didn't work because the space chosen to trip was
not good; a college dormitory is NOT the place to do such a thing. The
campus police were involved, and the FOAF spent much of the night in a
local psychiatric ward. However, once there, the environment was safe and
supportive (pre-1980's, pre War on Drugs :-) and the next six hours or so
were an interesting experience according to the FOAF and the doctors must
have gathered some interesting data for their own files :-)

This is also partly how the phenomenon of a "burn out" arises, when the
inside of someone's head is exploding so brightly, so violently and
intensely, yet they have to present some sort of normal facade to the
outside world and so they must make a mask of wet clay where their face
used to be....
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From: xcetus@wixer.bga.com (Chris Baleine)
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Subject: Preparations for Tripping
Summary: Tripping Preparations
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To help prevent bad trips or to get back on course during a bad trip, I
suggest one take a few minutes to prepare an itinerary before embarking on a
trip.

Suggestions:

On a piece of paper, write down the time of your drop and write down the time
you should come down (about 12 hours from the drop).  Because one tends to
lose all time orientation, I'd go so far as to tick off all the hours in-
between (e.g., drop at 12pm, 1, 2, 3...12am).  That way you can look at the
chart and see where you are in your trip.

Write down a couple of rules and personal assurances (e.g., I *will* stop
tripping and return to normal in about 12 hours; I am completely normal pre-
tripping and will return to this same state post-tripping; If I feel out of
control or like I will never be normal again, this is only the effect of the
drug and it *will* wear off; I am happy with life pre-tripping and I will be
happy with life post-tripping; I will not attempt flight or play with fire :)
; If I encounter tough personal issues that upset me, I will deal with them
post-tripping--I will not deal with negative issues while tripping; I have
tripped before and have always come down; etc.)

If your trip goes bad or if you feel a need for security, I suggest listening
to CD's.  Just keep in mind that an average album is about 60 mins long and
by the time you've heard 12 of your favorite CDs you'll be entering normality
again.

Some of this stuff may sound silly for non-trippers, but when you're tripping
it's easy to forget what you were like when you were normal and having those
pre-trip rules written down lets you remind yourself what's happening.
Having the time chart helps you orient yourself if you have a time distortion.
Listening to favorite CDs provides a wonderful anchor of security & a built-
in timekeeper.

---------------
Mr. Safety
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  well, i know that lights have an effect like you said.  i was trippin' 
hard my first time with mj.  my friend needed the light on in the car to do something.
i started getting scared, thinking i was going to die.
he put in the doors soundtrack and carmana burana was playing.
during the slow part i got sad/scared and thought i was already dead cause
nothing was real anymore.  i turned off the light and things were a little better.
i was still sad.  then, the drums hit and the music got louder and more upbeat
and i died laughing.
i touched the hand of god.

idunno

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} 	Suggestions: Trip with lots of people (who are tripping too)

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