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*** ACID MOVIES ***

*FANTASIA:
- Fantasia is definitely a recommended movie
- Even Fantasia can be somehwta disconcerting (sp?) I've been told - like when
the dinosaurs die and the evil guy in the last animation.... Just knock those
parts out and you should be fine....
- Fantasia can get boring if you don't like the music.

*THE WALL:
- Someone also told me that Pink Floyd: the Wall is good as well, there are
some nifty animation scenes plus the music would probably enhance your FOAF's
experience.
- The Wall for a first-time?  Your FOAF has a completely different opinion from
my FOAF.....To the original poster - I wouldn't suggest The Wall for your FOAF
first time.....
- It's hard enough to cope with this film when sober. Of course it depends how
much you let your imaginations fly in the movies, if you tend to really get
into it.
- THE WALL is a film to avoid (better: to watch before) - very depressing

*YELLOW SUBMARINE:
- YELLOW SUBMARINE (Beatles cartoon very musical-ish, colorful)
- I can also highly suggest YELLOW SUBMARINE by the Beatles. That movie is an
acid trip. WOW!
- The Beatles YELLOW SUBMERINE is a winner

- Disney's ALICE IN WONDERLAND has a lot going for it.
- My FOAFs like to watch alice in wonderland


*OTHERS:
- There are a few films to avoid (better: to watch before):
BRAZIL (utter madness, but if you can handle it...)
SALVADOR (I'm talking PARANOIA here, and the big P on acid... I don't know)
CRY FREEDOM (Pretty sad)
DEAD POETS SOCIETY (Gets your hopes up, and then flushes them....
- Any movie that is fun to watch (just look at, not really plot, as your
attention span may be dirt :-) and has no really nasty bits will be great.
- Recently, while tripping, we ended up watching ROGER AND ME.  (It was on
HBO). It was great! That's all I can say... The movie is a documentary on Flint
Michigan and General motors.  Sounds weird, but it was very amusing and
entertaining.   ---
-Other things my FOAFs like to watch- smurfs, tiny toons (esp. GoGo episodes),
bettlejuice the cartoon, liquid TV, altered states (not first time, pref.),
liquid sky, Pink Floyd DSoT, the Creation of the Unicerse (PBS show), the last
5 minutes of Abyss, computer animations, fractals, AfterDark stuff on mac....


*** MUSIC ***
*PINK FLOYD:
-Try Pink Floyd's "Interstellar Overdrive" (on "Relics", I think.)  It sounds
like it was written specially for the purpose!
- It was. Ummagumma is the most explicit on this, bur Atom Heart Mother is
deeper -- not for first experience. Come back happy!
-A lot of Pink Floyd seems to be like this - fairly upbeat and energetic at the
startup, then it gets more "contemplative", shall we say and not as happy...
Some of their music can be downright FREAKY (Bike, Several Species of Small
Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict [that's from
memory, but I think I got the title right]).....
-But, if you're looking towards the Floyd, keep Atom Heart Mother, Ummagumma,
Animals, DSotM, and Meddle by your side (DSoT is good too)...
-good trippy music..I find Pink Floyd has a nice effect...



Music is something else on acid.  I like the grateful dead, and the tapes
I've heard on acid, well, you hear things you've never heard on
recordings you've listened to a million times.

- Music- my FOAFs prefer the Orb and a lot of techno (Prodigy, Eon,
Orbital, 808 State, T99, KLF [esp. Chill Out], Shamen, Enigma, St.
Etienne,)...If you're into classic rock, you probably already know
(PF DSotM or AHM pr Animals or the Wall, Moody Blues DoFP, some Doors,
Hendrix, etc. are populars)....some people like classical...
-As far as "music being made explicity for the purpose", I think it's
more of a combination of the band being influenced by the drug, plus
their wanting to create other people's experiences whether they be
acid-influenced or not....Music to me is all about an experience -
great music can take you trippin' even when you're not (Floyd does
that for me, as does the Orb, Slowdive, some techno....)
-Also, it seems to me that there is a resurgence of "acid" rock again
in techno music, just like there was a few years ago with aid house
music...Except this time around we have the added influence of X
(ecstacy)...A great example of a neo-acid+X band is St. Etienne...
-ALthough not familiar with acid, the labum Eight Mile High of the Golden
Earing is listed in a pop encyclopedia as 'the dutch acid album'.

Just pick things that you really really like in your normal state of
consciousness - things that don't get you stressed or uptight or
angry... Once you're there it'll be easy to pick what you want to
see/hear....SO I've heard....

Good friends and a positive environment make the most
difference. The feelings your friend comes in with can also make a lot of
difference.
---

I like the woods.  The trees become the best thing, esp since it's fall,
and the leaves look BEAUTYFUL!  I agree that anything you like when you
are "normal" will be even better on acid, as long as that thing isn't
something like raquetball (sp).

If you can draw (or if you can't), get some Crayons and go for it.
You'll be surprized at what you come up with.

Hints and tips: Somepeople don't like being inside.  Even blank walls
look great.  Stay away from people you fear (if possible, but if it
happens, don't be scared to go with it)

        A non-hostile enviornment is always nice...one without lots
        of unknown people...good trippy music..I find certain spacy new age has
        a nice effect...
        I'm sure this has been brought up before, but can anyone
        produce any conclusive proof that Vitamin C will enhance
---

        I highly recomend buring black trash bags(no shit).  Simply
hang the bag up in some manner upside down and light the edge(might
take some effort).  When the bag burns it liquifies and flaming blue
drops fall to the ground with a splash.  The drops make a really cool
sound too that I can't discribe here.  Stay away from the smoke, I would
imagine it's all that good for you.  Fireworks are also fun, just be
careful.
---
---
Watching MTV's Liquid Television would help increase the experience since the
people who make Liquid TV do it while on LSD.
---
 I've heard (!) about a fairly nice trick, which involves the use of
ordinary menthol crystals, which you should be able to buy at any
ordinary pharmacy (at least here in Finland). Boil up some water, and
pour it in a teacup, in which you have put a few tablespoons of the
menthol crystals. The fumes from the cup are supposed to be pretty
heavy, very thick to inhale and almost touchable, and definitely
visible!

 When the water cools down, the menthol crystals crystallize on the
surface. This is also quite a sight, they form a milky-white
substance, which is incredibly soft, hard, smooth and rough at the
same time - running your fingers over it is supposed to be quite an
experience. It feels like some ancient, petrified lizard skin, but in
a sense still alive, pulsating under the hard surface...! Watch out,
though, after this entertainment *everything* in the apartment stinks
of menthol for days and days.

 It's also supposed to be great to eat and drink. Plain coffee is
great, if you have some brandy to go with it you're in for a feast!
Fruit salads are the best you can get, put all kinds of exotic fruits
as well as plain ones in it. Take a watermelon and lobotomize it (that
is, chop off the top of it, and take out the contents). Mix bananas,
pineapple, orange, kiwi, papaya, frozen strawberrys (a must!) - in
short, any good damned fruit you can get. A bit alcohol doesn't hurt,
try port or whisky - but just a few tablespoons. Fill the empty
watermelon with the mix, and put the whole shebang in the fridge for a
few hours (actually, since you'll probably want quite a lot, fill a
huge bowl with the mix, and eat from the watermelon). The cold
fruitmix (preferably with *lots* of fruitjuices) is great, the best
refreshment you *ever* had!
---
One of the best things to enhance a trip is to either go to the forest or
resort to some type of childhood activity.  Really--acting like a kid is so
cool on acid.
---

- Gosh... What ever happened to watching:
NAKED LUNCH (Surreal film with hallucinatory plot)
CLOCKWORK ORANGE ('Nother surreal film, kinda Sci-fi, in a way)
ALIENS TRILOGY (Watch all 3 of 'em back-to-back in once *long* night)
AKIRA CARTOONS (The various Japaneese styled sci-fi graphic movies)
CHILDRENS TELEVISION (Lots of claymation, really goofy, bale 'O fun)
VARIOUS MTV SHOWS (Kinda erratic, but fairly worthwile when bored)


Note: A story, not to be taken as legal advise.

A friend of mine was recently on a jury.

The accused were this guy (the big fish) and his friend
(the little fish).  They had some meth in a hotel room,
the maid discovered it and called the police.  The police
staked out the room and busted the guy when they came in.

During the trial my friend learned (judges instructions)
that a friend or roommate was not responsible for turning
in a dealer even if they know the other is dealing drugs.
Even if they were in the same car, same hotel room, at the
time fo the bust.  That the little fish wouldn't have been
responsible if he lived in the same house that the big fish
was selling drugs from.  Of course the prosecution charged
the little fish was a partner and not just a knowing friend.
So this didn't stop the little fish from being charged and
having to endure a trial.

One of the cops handling the case was a rookie out on his
first stake out, and made a lot of mistakes.

The jury found the guy not guilty because the prosecution
never proved that the drugs found belonged to the guys that
were arrested.  The defendants simply claimed that the drugs
were not theirs and that it must have been left in the room
by a previous occupant.

mark
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    The band was David Peel and the Lower East Side.  John Lennon once
performed with them on TV, if memory serves correctly.

                                Patrick Crumhorn
                                patrik@cup.portal.com


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Date: 11-06-92 (14:37)             Number: 73
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In article <1992Nov5.002135.20667@rtfm.mlb.fl.us> john@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (John
Blasik) writes:
>mdavie@elaine.ee.und.ac.za (MARK DAVIES : THIRD) writes:
>>I have an album from 1968 on tape (name of album is"Have a marijuana!"),
>>the songs are all about smoking pot, dropping acid, STP, amphetamines, etc
>>
>>Does anyone out there know what group released this album? It is live.
>>
>>Mark
>
>Standing on the corner
>Just me and Yoko Ono
>We was waiting for Jerry to land
>Up come a man with a guitar in his hand
>Singing, "Have a marijuana if you can"
>His name was David Peel
>And we found that he was real
>He sang "The pope smokes dope everyday."
>Up come a policeman shoved us up the street
>Singing, "Power to the people today!"
>
>                       John Lennon, "New York City"
>
>The LP you are refering to is
>"Have a Marijuana, Recorded live the streets of New York"
>by David Peel & the Lower East Side.
>
>They came out with another LP, I think it was called something like
>"The Pope smokes dope, Recorded lies on the streets of the vatican"
>which had that great ballad "I'm proud to be a New York City hippie"
>sung to the tune of "Okie from Mastokee" (sic?)
>
>This was all happinin' c. 1970-72, not 1968 b.t.w.
>
>OBsynchronicity: CNN showing a Clinton bash with some cover
>of "Power to the People!" blaring over the P.A. system as I
>am about to .sign this post. YOW!
>
>
>-- john
>"Don't think they didn't know about Hitler" -- joko
>

Ads for bopth of these, and at least one more, used to be all over
High times, and I bet he still sells them.
If you can find him...

                                        --Judex--


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Date: 11-05-92 (20:32)             Number: 35
From: BRIAN BEHLENDORF             Refer#: NONE
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In article <1992Nov5.041458.364@cs.uwp.edu> itzenhui@cs.uwp.edu (Steve
Itzenhuiser) writes:
>To get your trip started off right, drink some orange juice or other
>citric acid.  It kicks the Acid into your system.  That is unless this is
>a old wive's tale--like my mom ever tried Acid.

        It doesn't get it "into your system" any faster as far as I have
heard, but it does help intensify a trip, by FOAF experience.  ;)  I think
it's primarily the Vitamin C, because I know others who simply pop a few
vitamin pills and feel uppity too.

        Brian


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Date: 11-06-92 (01:51)             Number: 49
From: JONI JARVENKYLA              Refer#: NONE
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In article <1db9boINN6fa@clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk> esrec@csv.warwick.ac.uk
(Mr C L Mountford) writes:
>       My acid using friends use Vitamin C to abort bad trips. Apparently
>it brings you down prematurely, don't ask me how. Can anyone confirm or
>provide definite evidence to contrary? (And no bullshit please).

A friend of mine told me that whenever she's taken acid and eaten fruits
or drank orange juice the trip ended pretty fast and the visuals were
quite unnoticeable.

--
jjj@mits.mdata.fi     Thanks, Life; thanks, Death    And the other me:
jjj@niksula.hut.fi    for freeing me from self       Jenny L{rv{joki

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sorry about that last one.
while tripping for a few hours,
try eating a vitamin c tablet.
i guarantee it to be an interesting
and memorable taste.

amygurl


"try everything once, except incest and folk dancing"
                                ---Sir Thomas Beecham

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Date: 11-06-92 (12:11)             Number: 64
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In article <1db9boINN6fa@clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk> esrec@csv.warwick.ac.uk
(Mr C L Mountford) writes:

>       My acid using friends use Vitamin C to abort bad trips. Apparently
>it brings you down prematurely, don't ask me how. Can anyone confirm or
>provide definite evidence to contrary? (And no bullshit please).
>
>       Thanx
>               Col

Heh.  Sounds like you got your urban legends mixed up.  The vitamin C in
orange juice is supposed to "enhance" your trip.  Niacin is supposed to
"abort bad trips".  As far as I know, both these are false.  Using
vitamin C to abort bad trips sounds extra-double-false.

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In article <1992Oct29.040439.19663@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu
(non-carbonated) writes:
>In article <1992Oct29.004627.11010@coli.uni-sb.de> ulma@coli.uni-sb.de
>(Ulrich Mayring) writes:
>|jf@decuk.uvo.dec.com (Jason Flowers) writes:
>|
>|>     I agree with not watching The Wall on a first trip, do something
>|
>|I would like to recommend to absolutely, positively do what JF says. IT's
>|hard enough to cope with this film when sober. Of course it depends how
>|much you let your imaginations fly in the movies, if you tend to really get
>|into it.
>|There are a few films to avoid (better: to watch before):
>|THE WALL (very depressing)
>|BRAZIL (utter madness, but if you can handle it...)
>|SALVADOR (I'm talking PARANOIA here, and the big P on acid... I don't know)
>|CRY FREEDOM (Pretty sad)
>|DEAD POETS SOCIETY (Gets your hopes up, and then flushes them...)
>
>Geeez!  It actually occurs to you while tripping to watch these
>movies?  Man, talk about subconscious Freudian death-wish.... (or
>actually psycho-wish)....
>
>My FOAFs always turn on the Smurfs, Sesame Street, etc... Not
>something that actually has *reality meaning*.
>
>=)
>
>
>|BTW these are all-time favorites in normal surroundings.
>

Some of my fave acid flicks were discovered by simply flicking channels
on the TV, at random, or damn near. These include"

Petulia
The Pawnbroker  

and a few others. I seem to have really good luck at finding weird stuff
when I am on acid, that I cannot find when I am straight. 
Other films I recommend while in that state:

Susperia 
The Mask
Alphaville
Akira 
any episodes of "Ren and Stimpy", "Mighty Mouse-The New Adventures",
     the animated "Alf" or any cartoon you normally find weird.
Heart Of Midnight 
G-A-A-A-A-S-S or It may become Necessary to Destroy the World In Order to ]
Save it. 

I also strongly suggest that if you have never experienced "As The Veneer
Of Democracy Starts to Fade" an album by Mark Stewart and Maffia.
If you have never heard this, you have no idea what sound can do to you
in this state. VERY recommended! 

Just a few thoughts, I recommend that you walk around, and wait for the
TV/Movies till later in the trip.
Pax
                                        --Judex--



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In article <1992Nov5.170157.26928@prime.mdata.fi> jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni
Jarvenkyla) writes:
>In article <1db9boINN6fa@clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk> esrec@csv.warwick.ac.uk
(Mr C L Mountford) writes:
>>      My acid using friends use Vitamin C to abort bad trips. Apparently
>>it brings you down prematurely, don't ask me how. Can anyone confirm or
>>provide definite evidence to contrary? (And no bullshit please).
>
>A friend of mine told me that whenever she's taken acid and eaten fruits
>or drank orange juice the trip ended pretty fast and the visuals were
>quite unnoticeable.
>
>--
>jjj@mits.mdata.fi     Thanks, Life; thanks, Death    And the other me:
>jjj@niksula.hut.fi    for freeing me from self       Jenny L{rv{joki

Funny, but xsome of the best stuff I ever did, came on Vitamin C
tablets, and believe me it did not "abort" anything. I have always heard
that LSD metabolizes Vit. C, and that is why you wish to take
extra. Niacin will help to bring you down if you really need it.

                                        --Judex--
PS: Actually, it was the process of your body metabolizing the  acid that
burns up the C. Or so I have been told, by some who should have known...

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itzenhui@cs.uwp.edu (Steve Itzenhuiser) writes:
: This may be old hat to some, though others may find it fun.
:
: To get your trip started off right, drink some orange juice or other
: citric acid.  It kicks the Acid into your system.  That is unless this is
: a old wive's tale--like my mom ever tried Acid.
:

You never know about the placebo effect but I have felt that every time
I have remembered to take a gram of vitamin C a couple of hours in
advance I have had more intense trips.  Also more enjoyable.  But this
could be totally in my head. :-)

Bob
--
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

        "One can learn to be alone, even enjoy it but let intimacy
         break that solitude, even briefly, and he must start all
         over again."

                                                     Elia Kazan


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Date: 11-05-92 (20:32)             Number: 36
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Hi,
    In the past few days I have been told about a newspaper article on a girl
who took a tab (maybe half a tab) of X-stasy while at a party. A few hours
later she was admitted to hospital suffering from a really bad reaction to the
drug. Among her symptons were :-

Internal bleeding
Bleeding from various orifices - eyes, mouth, etc. etc. etc.
Almost certain death within a few days.

Now is this, as I suspect, a complete load of crap or is there some grain of
truth in at all?
All responses posted to the newsgroup please.....

Thanx
        Col (using a mate's code)

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Date: 11-06-92 (01:51)             Number: 47
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I've got _no_ experience of X at all, but from what I've read MDMA is
not all that toxic (MDMA is X), but its long term effects are unknown.

If there is any truth in this report I would suspect that what she took was
not MDMA.  A program on BBC2 (a tv channel in Britain for all the others out
there in netland, and not the kind of channel to put about too much
propaganda)
bought several tabs of what were sold as X and none of them actually contained
MDMA.  The tabs contained anything from MDA, MDA/Aphetamine, LSD/Aphetamine to
pure cafine...(geees what would 2g of cafine do to you)

I have also heard a story via a few friends about someone who bought some
X and their parents found it, and due to the fact that their dad was into
chemistry and had the contacts, sent it off to be analysed, it came back as
having been pure caffine in a capusle.

I should imagine that some of these combinations could make you feel pretty
ill
and possibly hospitalize you, add to that a bit of press hype and I should
think
thats where the story comes from.

There have been a few cases in Britain of people dying of brain heamorages
and
the like after aledgedly taking X.

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|David Brain at Aston University (Comp. Sci.)     Braindl@uk.ac.aston.uhura
|
|             Smile. All the time. (It'll really get to them.)
|
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Date: 11-06-92 (12:11)             Number: 59
From: HOWARD BERKEY                Refer#: NONE
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In article <1992Nov5.143554.8465@aston.ac.uk> braindl@uhura.aston.ac.uk (DL
BRAIN) writes:
>bought several tabs of what were sold as X and none of them actually
contained
>MDMA.  The tabs contained anything from MDA, MDA/Aphetamine, LSD/Aphetamine
to
>pure cafine...(geees what would 2g of cafine do to you)
>

Somewhat less than what 2g of any of the other chemicals listed would do...

>I have also heard a story via a few friends about someone who bought some
>X and their parents found it, and due to the fact that their dad was into
>chemistry and had the contacts, sent it off to be analysed, it came back as
>having been pure caffine in a capusle.
>

Yeah and a guy I know was stoned and bought a bag of moss he thought was pot.
Dumb people get duped all the time.


>There have been a few cases in Britain of people dying of brain heamorages
and
>the like after aledgedly taking X.

Highly unlikely that this is true.



--
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Howard Berkey                                           howard@netcom.com
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Date: 11-06-92 (14:37)             Number: 83
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howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey) writes:
:
: >There have been a few cases in Britain of people dying of brain heamorages
and
: >the like after aledgedly taking X.
:
: Highly unlikely that this is true.
:

Maybe, maybe not.  According to "Ecstasy: The MDMA Story" by Bruce Eisner,
responsible researchers will not administer it to anyone with high blood
pressure because for the first hour or so it does in fact elevate blood
pressure nearly universally.  Very high blood pressure can in fact cause
a stroke.  From the book, according to researcher George Greer:

        MDMA should not be taken by people with the following
        physical conditions: hypertension, heart disease, siezures
        hyperthyroidsm, diabetes mellitus, hypoglycemia, glaucoma,
        diminished liver function, actual or possible pregnancy,
        or breast feeding...

While most of these are precautionary, the increase in blood pressure
was shown clearly in a physiological study of 21 users done by Dr.
Joseph Downing.

Bob

--
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

        "One can learn to be alone, even enjoy it but let intimacy
         break that solitude, even briefly, and he must start all
         over again."

                                                     Elia Kazan


               PGP 1.0 or 2.0 public key available on request.

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Date: 11-05-92 (20:32)             Number: 43
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        one night this summer, my friend and i were watching 
( under the influence of quite a bit of lsd), and on the local channel (inNJ)
it played 3 episodes, twice. i was wondering if anyone has ever caught these
episodes, sober or not. the 1st was "music and the government"- an interesting
combination of odd music videos, army promotional films, and gogo dancers.
then
2nd was all of the jackson family members who didn't make it. from reba
jackson's "centipede" (that was a scary one, the tacky early eighties) to
jermaine's "do what you do". i think they threw in "billie jean". the third
was
the jackson family victory tour (circa 1985, i think). it gave you the feeling
that the jacksons were going to save the world and bring interplanetary peace.
in the 1st one, the camera filmed the host very shakily, zooming in and out
quite rapidly. it's enough to drive you batty when sober, but it's a hell of a
lot worse when you can't control it and you're not. it was also rather spooky
that they played an hour and a half of television, twice. any info is
appreciated.
thanx,
amy
v055rylr@ubvms

"caught a glimse in your eyes, and fell through the skies"
                                -alex chilton (big star)

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There has been a discussion on here about what movies to watch while
on LSD. Well from personal experience I would say the best movie for a
"pro tripper" would be "Altered States". For those of you who have
never heard of the movie I will give a brief promo. William Hurt (his
debut film) is a psy professor in the 60's who uses Sensory
Deprevation tanks (sdt) to induce halluinations. He takes a trip to Mexico
and gets some mushrooms for his studies and takes them back with him.
He makes the combination of SDT and the mushrooms and some very
interesting things happen. HINT: the indian trip scene and the Big
finale scene are the ultimate on Acid.

Warning: First timers should not watch this because it envokes a sort
of paranoia that only experienced people know how to deal with. Even
for pro's it gets a little hairy towards the end. Have fun and don't
de-evolve!!!!!!!!
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donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
> jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla) writes:
> > esrec@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr C L Mountford) writes:
> >>    My acid using friends use Vitamin C to abort bad trips. Apparently
> >>it brings you down prematurely, don't ask me how. Can anyone confirm or
[...]
> >A friend of mine told me that whenever she's taken acid and eaten fruits
> >or drank orange juice the trip ended pretty fast and the visuals were
[...]
> Funny, but xsome of the best stuff I ever did, came on Vitamin C
> tablets, and believe me it did not "abort" anything. I have always heard


Ahem. Might I point out the obvious....

Perhaps because you *expect* vitamin C to have a certain effect on you
while tripping -- be it to kill a trip, enhance a trip, make a trip
green, or whatever -- thats what actually happens?  Perhaps the
vitamin C has nothing to do with it?

--
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still bitchy
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>In a previous article, cl962i@mips.cs.murdoch.edu.au (Justine Walters) says:

>>
>>Hi !
>>
>>A FOAF (heh !) is thinking of trying Acid for the first time, and was
>>wondering if you guys knew of anything GOOD to do to enhance the experience.
>>
>>A friend has already suggested watching Fantasia (particularly the dancing
>>mushrooms) ... anyone else got any interesting suggestions ??
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Jus

A FOAF sujests night time acid snorkling or skindiving, make sure you
bring a torch and select a place with lots a colour and sealife, you
may not be ready for this being a first timer , but it's something to
look forward to.
                        -Glenn (High, How are you)


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From: KEVIN "ZONKER" ISAACSON      Refer#: NONE
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[all sorts of quoted followups deleted]

As far as good movies to watch on acid, my opinions are as follows:

"The Wall" - An all time classic, but DON'T try to watch it for the first time
on acid.  Watch it a few times and figure it out before you trip.  That way
you can sit back and just watch the animation and reflect on its meaning which
is of course greatly enhanced on acid.

"Heavy Metal" - The ABSOLUTE BEST movie to watch on acid (and straight also).
Great animation, humorous script, !rocking! music.  Can't beat it.

"A Clockwork Orange" - Definitely not.  Seems like a good idea before you
trip, but once you are there this movie simply freaks you out (or me at
least).

"The Doors" - Has its ups and downs.  Parts of this movie (like the scene
where they are tripping in the desert) can make you feel like you are on
acid even when you arent.  The latter part of the movie can get depressing
and boring if you are tripping, but I would recommend it overall.

In addition, any Star Wars/Trek movie is good for its special effects.
Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure and Wayne's World are also good, especially
for countering any potential bad trips.

The best idea, however, is to go to a laser show at the planetarium (or
just as good, the regular stars and planets program).  Nothing can compare
to the sound and images generated by one of these shows.



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Try watching cartoons (Hoghorn Leghorn (WB), mypreference) on slo motion.


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Absolutely the best all-around film to watch is "The Wizard of
Speed and Time."  It's a bit hard to find but absolutely worth
it.  It's funny, it induces a positive state of mind, it's packed
with 'subliminal messages' (really!), and it's got the most
mind-blowing animation sequences you've ever seen, in terms
of sheer don't-blink-ness.  It was written, directed,
starred-in, and packed with special effects by one guy, Mike
Jittlov.  He's amazing.  There's a stop-motion sequence with
FULL-SIZE movie equipment (lights, tripods, about ten thousand
film canisters), in which Jittlov even animates himself.

Don't blink when watching this film.  You'll regret it.

Also, I second the opinion that the Alien movies are cool --
especially if you already like them, of course -- a FOAF saw
the third one for the first time (in a theater) on LSD and
enjoyed it (despite the terrible script, dialogue, casting, plot...)
-- it's a very visual film.  [Not altogether cheery, though, so
keep "Wizard of Speed and Time" handy if you want to get
happy again afterwards.  My FOAF followed it in the theater
by Lethal Weapon 3 and was pleased to have done so.  (The
opening title sequence is great.)  As someone else mentioned,
things like Wayne's World work too for cheering-up after
depressing films.  Or try Ferris Buehler's Day Off.] He also
watched the first 2 Alien films back-to-back (on video) on
another occasion and enjoyed the experience immensely.

Other good films to try are:
-- Platoon: if you're experienced enough at tripping to deal
with The Wall, you can probably handle this too, and it's
really intense.  Not happy though, see the comment about
antidotes above.
-- Yellow Submarine: of course.  Check out the Sea of Holes.
-- Battle Beyond the Stars: old parody of the Star Wars
genre, I thought it was great when I was a little kid, and I
suspect that means it would be good on a trip.  Haven't tried
it though.
-- Robocop: another not-for-beginners, but *incredibly cool*.
-- Akira: an animated masterpiece of psychedelia.  Check out
the trails on the motorcycles.  The soundtrack is beautiful --
it's good by itself, too, for trips or nitrous.
-- Risky Business: probably really good.  Another good
soundtrack, and some really surreal happenings.  A film that's
probably too surreal for drugs is After Hours.
-- Batman Returns: probably really good.  Wonderful imagery,
Catwoman (meow!), and no distracting plot to worry about.
-- Fantastic Planet: weird animated science-fiction film.
-- Allegro Non Troppo: this is like Fantasia, only different: the
funny parts are funnier, and the psychedelic parts are more
psychedelic.
-- Hudson Hawk:  I don't understand why this film did so
poorly.  It's a great cross between an adventure film and a
parody of one, a little like Sneakers or Indiana Jones 3 (but
more like Sneakers).  (Those two are good too.)  The
Machine in the introduction is just beautiful to enhanced eyes.
All that movement, and color, and the grinding of wooden
gears... it's a little like the effect of the beautiful orrery in...
-- The Dark Crystal:  absolutely recommended.  A complete
fantasy world (no human actors AT ALL!  And you keep
forgetting that....), great images, the above-mentioned orrery:
what more could you want?
-- Labyrinth:  not as good as Dark Crystal, but made by the
same team.  Great crystal-ball stuff by Michael Motion (you
only see his hands).  There's a tape about him available from
Great Performances (check your public-tv station for the
address) that's good too.

Well, you get the idea.  Really any film you enjoy straight is
good, especially if it's surreal or intense.

Disclaimer:  I don't do drugs.  Really.  I got all these opinions
by mental telepathy from drug-using strangers.

        ---Daniel Efran
----------------------------------
An it harm none, do as you Will.
Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.

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                Question:
                how did acid turn to X. (No flame intended)
                Anyways i think that when you do acid it is
                fun to go places... Almost anywhere is cool
                as long as you have someone you can relate to
                but personnally i perfer Large 24-hour supermarkets
                cause you can go at 2 or 3 in the morning and
                you have the place to yourself it is almost like a
                different world.  :)   But again watching the walls are cool
                and expecially batchroom shower curtains with any
                design on them.  :)
                Another thing is keep moving there is so much
                to see it is a beautiful world out there.

                jason, the most imfamous man in Philippi



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Date: 11-10-92 (13:28)             Number: 68
From: JOHN C. BAEZ                 Refer#: NONE
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In article <1992Nov7.181646.22829@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org
(Keith Lewis) writes:

>At the risk of preaching the obvious, if you don't enjoy smoking, don't.  It
>will leave that much more for your giggling friends.  (If *they* have a
>problem with you not smoking, find new friends.)

Hmm, maybe someone should come up with a nice bumper sticker or t-shirt
along these lines, something like "Don't do drugs - save 'em for us" or
"Just say no - there's not enough for both of us".  I can't think of
something sufficiently catchy just now.



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From: ROBERT ATWOOD                Refer#: NONE
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On this topic, Has anyone else seen PROSPERO'S BOOKS yet? Wow, trippy or
what?  Ol' Bill Shakespear must have been into the Ergot or something :-)


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In article  gak@wrs.com writes:
>Quest for Fire.

i still vote on "Labyrinth" and "The Adventures of Baron Muenchassen (sp?)"

-marc
andersom@spot.colorado.edu



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In article <1992Nov5.115518.3721@wkuvx1.bitnet>, jagged@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
> There has been a discussion on here about what movies to watch while
> on LSD. Well from personal experience I would say the best movie for a
> "pro tripper" would be "Altered States".

"Fantasia" for the musicaly inclined, or for the inclined.

-- no sig necessary --
       Aza

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Well, while we're still on the subject of Ultimate Acid Movies, I would have
to suggest the video by Soundgarden for their song "Break My Rusty Cage"

...trails going every which way...
Bart

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I have had the feeling of the floor moving beneath me as well.
One day after a late night of speeding, I went home and sat down on
a wooden floor and witnessed the grain in the wood start to move
and talk to each other! It was really weird.

Pam.
--
Mark.
rda767f@nellads.cc.monash.edu.au
rda767f@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au
bagel@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

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Date: 11-11-92 (01:31)             Number: 40
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Why not try Hash under glass ?

Make a stand from a paper clib with one end of it pointing up.
Stick a hunk of it on the end pointing up.
Light the hash on fire.
blow it out and immediately put a glass, upside down, over it.
Wait for the shish to stop smoking.
Slide the glass to the edge of the table and suck the smoke out.


     o    <---- hash
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   /
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I found 'The Neverending Story' to be very amusing, the first time I dropped.


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I'd vote for ALIEN. Seeing that the first night it opened, in 1979, ummmm,
let's just say IT CHANGED MY LIFE. Things were never quite the same after
that experienece...        .   .   .   .   .   .   .
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        I guess this is the right group for this... the only other
possibilites would be alt.sex but anyways...

        Has anybody had much experience with sex on acid??  For the
past couple of weekends my girlfriend and I have been experimenting.  The
first weekend it was just INCREDIBLE, I tell ya, just a simple touch
feels sooooo good.... Anyways, back to the point..
        Last weekend however it was going particularly great, until I
started *fiddling* around with her (for lack of a better public word)
and she started getting off like crazy.
        Anyways, after spurting much fluid on my bed, she started freaking
out because she said she couldn't move!!  Her legs and arms seemed
paralyzed, she was REALLY scared.  I think I should add that we weren't
 *REALLY* tripping at this point, but were still very high.
        This was only her 2nd time on acid as well, so I thought she was
just freaking out.  After talking to her and pinching her legs (without
her seeing) I found that she was quite well within her mind and not too
badly gone.  Anyways, after lying and reassuring her that this was normal
when having sex on acid, her feeling came back about 45 - 50 minutes later.
  I lied because I didn't want her to think something was physically wrong
with her- I thought she might start to freak if I said that...

        What I think happened is that she got so "excited" that her
brain must have released some kind of chemical into her blood that would
numb her for a while.

        Any comments??

--
"Chalk up another soul that's lost, |       Kevin Currie
 Calculate the social cost,         |   Ottawa,Ontario,Canada
 You know what's not inside of me,  | ck041@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
 Raging mad insanity!!"  - S.T.     |      ag816@yfn.ysu.edu

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In article <10943@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>Quickie :
>       Recommended storage for A is cool, dark, anhydrous.
>       (all fairly obvious)
>
>       Given this, what's its shelf-life?
>
>-Bunweasel.

The best method of storage I know of for LSD is to:

 1) Use a 'safelight' a.k.a. darkroom bulb.  I understand that a 'fireball'
is the best for use with LSD since that wavelength of red decomposes the
chemicals more slowly that other more orange shades.

 2) Form the tartrate of the crystal in acetonitrille since the tartrate is
more stable than other salts available, and to the best of my knowledge, the
tartrate is also active. Leave in suspension/solution in a darkened glass
vessel.

 2) Bubble Nitrogen gas (N2) through the solution, and quickly seal after
nearly all air has been evacuated.

 3) Store the vessel in an opaque container and then store this in a freezer.

You should find that proper storage will allow it to last almost indefinitely.
As an example, Owsley, who manufactured LSD in the sixties, stored much of
the product, and gave it to 'the family.'  This acid is still available today
if you know the right people, and the supply is expected to last at least a
few more years (unless they've been busted...)

If you want to store your stash and do not want a big hassle:

 1) If possible, work in a vacumn or under N2.

 2) Store in a plastic bag, and seal in an airtight container.  Most film
cannisters and many ziploc type freezer bags are airtight.  The film canister
has the obvious advantage of also being lighttight.

 3) Store in an opaque container, and then store this in a freezer.

You should find that your stash will still be at effective dosage levels
years into the future, but is best if used within a year.

  -Dr. Flashback


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        I have a rather novel method for the consumption of hash. Keep
a .5 litre (quart) jar in the freezer (which is usually conveniently
located close to the stove). Put a book (or anything flat and light for
that matter) on the counter or table beside the stove.  When the knives
are toasty warm place the frozen jar upside-down on the book with about
2.5 cm (1 inch) hanging over the edge of the book.  When knifing the
hash hold the knives under the jar overhang so that all the intoxicating
smoke rises into the jar.  Push the jar back so that the book completely
covers the top of the jar, flip the jar and book over so that no smoke
escapes. Gently slide the book off the top of the jar. Put lips to jar
as if you were about to drink and inhale as you tip the jar back.
        The smoke is cool and almost refreshing.  It sounds like a lot of
work, but is in fact worth every bit of effort put into it.  If you make
sure that the jar is returned to the freezer between each hoot it will
remain cool all night.

_______________________________________________________________________
KWREN:In search of the Castle Anthrax
_______________________________________________________________________

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From: DAVID POTOSKY                Refer#: NONE
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My favorite film in an altered state is "EVERSMILE, NJ"

It is about a dentist who travels across England (I believe) on a Harley
Davidson (that transforms into a full dental office) fighting the on-going
battle against tooth decay.  It stars Daniel-Day Lewis, the movie is classic.

I have been looking for this movie ever since.  Does anyone else know of it?
Is there a alt.film newsgroup?

Thanks


--
David P. Potosky
Computer Science Dept.
New Mexico State University
dpotosky@NMSU.edu

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From: DAVID HUTTON                 Refer#: NONE
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There has been much interesting discussion over what a proper movie to view
while under the influence of one of the more notorius molecules known to
civilization, but my tastes run deeper than most people who are into the
vegetable impersonations while tripping.

I love to bike (!), run, walk, crawl, or do basically anything which requires
movement, because it seems that during these moments -- which I may almost
deem apocalyptic in hindsight -- that I become aware of the incredible neural
functions required for motor skill and coordination.





But what is better ten fold in comparison to watching a movie, is to put on
decent tunes (no overplayed stuff at MY house - no floyd (unless obscure), no
marley, no morrison, no doors) and then visualize my OWN movies.


Many people would ask (and it is a good question) why I reject the staples of
my aural diet while under the influence of delta-9-THC, and the answer is that
when tripping, it is best to always look for something new.

Old songs also can dredge up bad (or good) memories of times you've had when
listening to said tune.  Can be unpredictable.

NOW, it's your turn to talk.  Tell me what your personal favorite music is
when (IF) you are (WERE) tripping!


--
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and
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In article  mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu
(David Hutton) writes:
> But what is better ten fold in comparison to watching a movie, is to put
on
> decent tunes (no overplayed stuff at MY house - no floyd (unless
obscure), no
> marley, no morrison, no doors) and then visualize my OWN movies.
>
>
> Many people would ask (and it is a good question) why I reject the
staples of
> my aural diet while under the influence of delta-9-THC, and the answer
is that
> when tripping, it is best to always look for something new.
>
> Old songs also can dredge up bad (or good) memories of times you've had
when
> listening to said tune.  Can be unpredictable.
>
> NOW, it's your turn to talk.  Tell me what your personal favorite music
is
> when (IF) you are (WERE) tripping!

Okay, time to cast "Animate Dead" on this old thread...Some of my personal
faves:

Pretty much any Cowboy Junkies album.  Really mellow stuff, and great to
relax to.  I also happen to like Rush; not tremendously trippy music
(although "Xanadu" has made me trip HARD more than once), but very well
done.  The best, however, (IMHO) is the Church.  Am I the only one to find
this group trememnously psychadelic?  Especially from "Heyday" onward,
their sound has been lush, full... psychadelic.

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i wasn't listening. did anyone mention the CD:
        Spiritualized: lazer guided melodies
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On 11-Nov-92 in Acid Music (sorry to
user David Hutton@staff.tc.um writes:
>NOW, it's your turn to talk.  Tell me what your personal favorite music is
>when (IF) you are (WERE) tripping!

i definitel vote for floyd.  especially the really long instrumentals
like echoes (all of meddle), and SoYCD.  i totally focused on the music
and couldn't do anything else (not that i wanted to).  but when coming
down, listening to Dark Side, i saw shadows moving around the room and
the music sounded reallly ominous.  oh well...


aaron (no sig file)

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In article  ringo@craft
camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo) writes:
>Well, our favorite staples are:
>Peter Gabriel: Passion

Yes!

For musician types, I would also recommend most PAt Metheny/Lyle Mays
collaborations, to be sure.

The adventurous few out there must look into Tim Berne (esp. Fractured
Fairy Tales) and John Zorn (esp. Spillane). Classics. Pretty mean stuff,
though.

yo,
jhno




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mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton) writes:
>But what is better ten fold in comparison to watching a movie, is to put on
>decent tunes (no overplayed stuff at MY house - no floyd (unless obscure), no
>marley, no morrison, no doors) and then visualize my OWN movies.

>NOW, it's your turn to talk.  Tell me what your personal favorite music is
>when (IF) you are (WERE) tripping!

Well, our favorite staples are:
Genesis: Nursery Cryme, Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
King Crimson: Lizard, Lark's Tongues in Aspic, Red
Procol Harum: Shine on Brightly, Home
Peter Gabriel: Passion
KLF: Chill Out

Why these? Genesis (w/ Gabriel), King Crimson and Procol Harum are all
1970's art or avant garde bands. The stories that they tell are really
groovy, and they are 'musician bands.' These are the type of highly
technical bands that the average joe won't like. A lot of it is really
beyond the norm, which makes it exceptional to listen to in ANY state.

A fair amount of the music is chaos. KC, PH and KLF do VERY good chaos.
Genesis does not (see, "Waiting Room" on Lamb...), however their stories
make up for the lack of it.


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Anybody know about the 'Teenage Filmstars'?  Best acid music I ever
heard, but I don't know much about them.  Very experimental.

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I can't believe nobody has mentioned Miles Davis.
I have Bitches Brew and Pangea, both have BLOWN ME AWAY numerous times.
I also like Santana alot, simply amazing.

As for newer stuff, has anybody heard of The Darkside?  they have
a newer album out, MellowMania, but I think there first, called
All That Noise, is better.
Also, although I've yet to experience the disk on 'A', Spiritualized
I'm sure would be quite amazing.  They sure are when I'm high.
Both of the above mentioned bands are from England I believe.

well that's my $.02 worth.


--
-tod ehlers
 fehlers@cs.utexas.edu


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hatter@cs.utexas.edu (John Eichenseer) writes:

>For musician types, I would also recommend most PAt Metheny/Lyle Mays
>collaborations, to be sure.

I just received a couple Tangerine Dream tapes from a friend. I'll
listen to them next time I travel the paper highway, and give a
little report :) I hear they are pretty good.


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In article <1ddkosINNji2@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> jcollier@arie
.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier) writes:

> From my experience, C is likely to make you less paranoid if you
> are so inclined. Can make the trip more pleasant, less tiring.

        Yeah, it's so much better than that nasty Fortran or Pascal.


:)

--
Tig Stone
(oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu)

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Hi folks,

In article 
mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton) writes:

>  NOW, it's your turn to talk.  Tell me what your personal favorite music is
>  when (IF) you are (WERE) tripping!

 Ahhh - a very important thread, indeed! The very best background
music I've heard of (from a FOAF who reputedly sometimes tries drugs)
is Led Zeppelin! Any of their record goes, but I've heard that the
first one is particularly good while doing pot, and Houses of the Holy
is excellent on acid.
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How about _The_Magic_Christian_?


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One movie which I have never seen tripping, but would imagine would
be pretty amazing is "Liquid Sky"  Especially when the bodies melt away
like aluminium foil...

I have it from a reliable source that "Naked Lunch" is NOT a good idea...

If you're in a thoughtful mood and can still understand words, try
"Slackers"

And my favourite - David Lynch's "Industrial Symphony No. 1"
But beware of the skinned deer.

                                        have a ball
                                                        Adam

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> Aaron R. Miller writes:
>
> i definitel vote for floyd.  especially the really long instrumentals
> like echoes (all of meddle), and SoYCD.  i totally focused on the music
> and couldn't do anything else (not that i wanted to).  but when coming
> down, listening to Dark Side, i saw shadows moving around the room and
> the music sounded reallly ominous.  oh well...


...I'd have to second that vote...reminds me the time I watched a bass note
come out of my speakers, flip on it's horizontal axis and then slip to the
floor while listening to Wish You Were Here...

I would also vote for anything by Jefferson Airplane...the older the better.

I guess I'm showing my age with that one...


John

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Definitely SKINNY PUPPY.

It's the only way you can hear the words...

__________________________________________________________________________
Jim Petersen         petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu          jp@darkstar.com

                If mercy's in business I wish it for you-
             More than just ashes when your dreams come true.

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In article <1d9gpiINN6r7@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> caedmon@cats.ucsc.edu (Axeman)
writes:
>
>heinlein@bluemoon.rn.com (Joseph Heinlein) writes:
>
>
>>        I'm looking for the method of manufacturing LSD on a small level,
>>that is I want a "recipe" someone would use to make it at home.  I try to

  Alright, here it is you guys.

1) Put some drano in a spoon
2) Heat it up at about high noon
3) Cool it off, but not too soon
4) Listen to a Steppenwolf tune

5) Take it out and add some bleach
6) Just a smidgen, I beseech
7) Heed my words, and I will teach
8) Then set it high, out of reach

9) Put it down, oh so low
10) Add alittle cocain blow
11) Watch the movie Fantasia
12) Then hope you don't experience euthenasia

    How'd you like that one Noah!
                  -Bruce-

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In article <1992Nov5.115518.3721@wkuvx1.bitnet>,
        jagged@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
->There has been a discussion on here about what movies to watch while
->on LSD. Well from personal experience I would say the best movie for a
->"pro tripper" would be "Altered States". For those of you who have
->never heard of the movie I will give a brief promo. William Hurt (his
->debut film) is a psy professor in the 60's who uses Sensory

Yes, is the best Film that i have seen. The Name from this Movie is in Germany
"Der Hoellentrip" (english: The Helltrip).

greetings

Reinhold
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This thread got this far and nobody has mentioned John Waters??

FEMALE TROUBLE!!  The ultimate acid movie.

Also, it may be passe, but 'Pink Floyd The Wall' still stands the test
of time. I wouldn't turn it off if someone wanted to watch it...

Finally, don't forget about the evening news. Better than a lot of
movies!
__________________________________________________________________________
Jim Petersen         petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu          jp@darkstar.com

                If mercy's in business I wish it for you-
             More than just ashes when your dreams come true.

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jagged@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:


>Warning: First timers should not watch this because it envokes a sort
>of paranoia that only experienced people know how to deal with. Even
>for pro's it gets a little hairy towards the end. Have fun and don't
>de-evolve!!!!!!!!

Substitute Altered States for Jacob's Ladder. It works there too.

Mongo

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The first time I EVER dropped A, I watched "A Fish Called
Wanda"-couldn't figure out for the life of me what the hell
was going on!  Quite a confusing experience.
--

Slade Foster   Montana State Univ.   trailmix@fubar.cs.montana.edu

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trippy Music


Any live Grateful Dead
Led Zepplin
Negativeland
Primus
Skinny PUppy
Doors (try to talk to Morrison)...
Pink Floyd
Phish

well that is what we lisened to last night during are journey...

Negativeland 10-8 Place can be really fun if the first time you here
it is during a trip...

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In  kg1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kevin Paul
Goldman) writes:

>jagged@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:


>>Warning: First timers should not watch this because it envokes a sort
>>of paranoia that only experienced people know how to deal with. Even
>>for pro's it gets a little hairy towards the end. Have fun and don't
>>de-evolve!!!!!!!!

>Substitute Altered States for Jacob's Ladder. It works there too.

Especially the old woman on the train staring at our boy after he gets off
the train... Brrrrrrr.... freaky...

>Mongo

Shckwish!

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mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton) writes:

>There has been much interesting discussion over what a proper movie to view
>while under the influence of one of the more notorius molecules known to
>civilization, but my tastes run deeper than most people who are into the
>vegetable impersonations while tripping.

>I love to bike (!), run, walk, crawl, or do basically anything which requires
>movement, because it seems that during these moments -- which I may almost
deem apocalyptic in hindsight -- that I become aware of the incredible neural
>functions required for motor skill and coordination.





>But what is better ten fold in comparison to watching a movie, is to put on
>decent tunes (no overplayed stuff at MY house - no floyd (unless obscure), no
>marley, no morrison, no doors) and then visualize my OWN movies.


>Many people would ask (and it is a good question) why I reject the staples of
>my aural diet while under the influence of delta-9-THC, and the answer is
that
>when tripping, it is best to always look for something new.

>Old songs also can dredge up bad (or good) memories of times you've had when
>listening to said tune.  Can be unpredictable.

>NOW, it's your turn to talk.  Tell me what your personal favorite music is
>when (IF) you are (WERE) tripping!

>
>--
>send flames, comments, questions, pap smear results, $10,000 in small bills,
and
>a large packet of neurotransmitter precursors to :  mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu
>=====->Legalize Spiritual Discovery and Powerful Oxyhematoporphyrin
Tools<-=====                 ...have you hugged an Ischiopagus lately?

Well, a couple weekends ago a FOAF;)  was shrooming, and My life With the
Thrill Kill Kult was playing. It was ok, until the part that goes
"Freaked out very very badly" came on. that part seemed to loop through
this poor fellows head until exactly that happened.
If I were to listen to musik, by far my choice would be PigfacE, because
they play under that very condition(LSD) live, so This weekend, a FOAF will
hopefully see how the musik is Really meant to be interpreted....
coprophiliac


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      If you can get your hands on it, listen to Coil's album: LSD - Love's
Secret Domain. Deeply weird. For an esp. mellow trip, try Saint Etienne's Fox
Base Alpha. If you like techno/industrial, I recommend Pigface's recent Fook.

      Oh yeah, and Pink Floyd. I vote for Relics and Ummagumma.:-)


    -Sean LeBlanc
  -Man is the poet who kills, woman the angel who eats.
                           -Greg Bear, Queen of Angels

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In article  v064lnev@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
(Avatar) writes:
>Hi Folks!
>
>       I _highly_ recommend the new Francis Ford Coppola film, Dracula, for
>the sensory enhanced.  This is perhaps Coppola's finest work; a truely
>magnificent film throughout.
>
>Have fun!

        I will agree that visually this is a great film. But for anyone
who has read the Vampire Chronicals and books like it...you will be very
disapointed.

-andy

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The band Gong has a couple of releases that strike me as being the LSD
equivalent of "guided meditation"; ie. the lps "Angel's Egg" and "You"
are essentially a "trip guide" through exploring a lot of fantasy pixie
mythology that is a hilarious blend of zen, hippies & acid. Fun, crazy
spacey stuff with a "plot"; conceptual meta-programming tools disguised
as music. The band used to be sort of the european equivalent of the
Greatful Dead, playing concerts to huge festival crowds. IMHO they blow
away the dead, floyd and any others when it comes to "trippy space music".

Funkadelic is a pretty interesting trip band - the early stuff is a blend
of proto-funk with hendrixy rock guitar. These guys were supposedly tripping
in the studios while recording their first four lps. Their third lp, "Free
Your Mind and Your Ass Will Follow..." is definitley a journey into inner
space and worth a listen whether one is tripping or not. Same goes for the
Gong lps mentioned above.


  - Malcolm

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In article  petersen
casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jim Petersen) writes:
>This thread got this far and nobody has mentioned John Waters??
>FEMALE TROUBLE!!  The ultimate acid movie.
>Also, it may be passe, but 'Pink Floyd The Wall' still stands the test
>of time. I wouldn't turn it off if someone wanted to watch it...
>Finally, don't forget about the evening news. Better than a lot of
>movies!

Anything BUT Jacob's Ladder.

But movies aren't my preference.  Channel surfing is REALLY
interesting.  Not like things aren't disjointed enough, but when you
have three second flashes, you can REALLY make up some good "whole
stories."

Late late LATE night MTV, or something stupid like Nick at Nite.

amy
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  Koyaaniqatsi?  Blue Velvet?


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ac@cheshire.oxy.edu (Aileen Cho) writes:


>  Koyaaniqatsi?  Blue Velvet?
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Wholly shit. I saw that with Philip Glass live in Burlington. Nothing but
NOTHING has fucked my head more than that flick. I didn't know whether to
laugh or to cry when it was over. So I did both. I have never seen it
tripping, but I think that that, Koyannisqatsi, and its sister movie
Powaqqatsi would be WAY heavy. In other words, give it a go!


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| themes draw themselves out, a more moderate pace | rescigja@calvin.camp.  |
| replacing youth's allegro, yet still it reflects |         clarkson.edu   |
| and embraces the initial melody that gave it its |------------------------|
| identity.                 -- John Rescigno       | Live Free and Honestly |
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Date: 11-20-92 (20:22)             Number: 50
From: ALAN FLEMING                 Refer#: NONE
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In article , ringo@craf
.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo) writes:
> ac@cheshire.oxy.edu (Aileen Cho) writes:
>
>>  Koyaaniqatsi?  Blue Velvet?
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Wholly shit. I saw that with Philip Glass live in Burlington. Nothing but
> NOTHING has fucked my head more than that flick. I didn't know whether to
> laugh or to cry when it was over. So I did both. I have never seen it
> tripping, but I think that that, Koyannisqatsi, and its sister movie
> Powaqqatsi would be WAY heavy. In other words, give it a go!
>
I disagree.  First, I think you'd have to be neurotic to watch Blue Velvet, so
we seem to have exact opposite opinions.  One evening last Fall, I dropped two
hits and spent the first part of the evening re-reading Tao Te Ching (while
waiting for it to come on.)  Then I watched Koyaaniqatsi and afterwards had
one of the most joyous feelings of my life.  Spontaneous outbursts of energy
with dancing, singing then quiet meditation.  Incredibly powerful evening.

I have a number of philosophical blatherings about why I found the movie so
powerful, but I'll save those for another time and another newsgroup.

Think Peace.
-- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com)

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From: STEVEN J. VETTER             Refer#: NONE
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  The song "25 o-clock" on the Dukes of the Stratosfear album is
  really cool when tripped out, especially if your using nitrous.
  Also on that album, there are short little segments of a little
  English girl saying really strange things which sounds really
  trippy.

  vetter@mtu.edu


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vetter@mtu.edu (STEVEN J. VETTER) writes:


>  The song "25 o-clock" on the Dukes of the Stratosfear album is
>  really cool when tripped out, especially if your using nitrous.
>  Also on that album, there are short little segments of a little
>  English girl saying really strange things which sounds really
>  trippy.

>  vetter@mtu.edu

Just so you know, The Dukes of Stratosphear is a name that the group
XTC adopts from time to time to do 60's revivalist albums. They
have two albums: 25 o' clock and psonic psunspot. They are available
on the same cd entitled 'chips from the chocolate fireball' It's
all really good music. No...it's all really great music.


/-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-\
|   As the boistrous fanfare of youth matures, the | John Rescigno, or Trout|
| themes draw themselves out, a more moderate pace | rescigja@calvin.camp.  |
| replacing youth's allegro, yet still it reflects |         clarkson.edu   |
| and embraces the initial melody that gave it its |------------------------|
| identity.                 -- John Rescigno       | Live Free and Honestly |
\-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-/

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The girl on that album (Dukes O' Stratosphere) is Alice In Wonderland!

I don't know where the voice was taped from, but I've heard it and I
recognise the lines



/:^}//+
--
"A horse! A horse! Somebody give me a horse, man, because|glazier@
I come to bury this dirtball, not to praise him. Whaddya |harvard.isr.edu
think I am? Whether it's nobler for the mind to make people suffer with all
these totally outrageous arrows arrows for a fortune, or what!" -- D.R.

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I almost forgot.. "The Song Remains the Same"!!!  The section in Dazed and
Confused where
Page gets out the violin bow is awe-inspiring!

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Hmmmmm.....
Let's see here.....

REPO MAN       (hee hee hee hee)

BIG TIME       (tom waits' heavily strange concert film)

RUST NEVER SLEEPS  (esp. neil "road-eyes" manning the stage, as well as
                     the attempt on neil's life by the rapelling guy in the
                     DEVO outfit)

LIFESTYLES OF THE RAMONES   (okay, okay, it's pretty much just videos, but
                              the interview bits are better than SPINAL TAP)

ERASERHEAD      (yeeeeeeeehaaaaaa.....hang onto yer heads kids)

BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA      (best if yr seeing it for the first time
                              while on 'cid)

APOCALYPSE NOW  (no, just kidding....I don't want anyone to get HURT here)

RIDERS ON THE STORM  (a pre-sober Dennis Hopper movie; he's the pilot of
                    a CIA communications plane...they haven't "come down," as
                    it were, since the Vietnam War...also a good attack on the
                     Moral Minority)

and my friend Bobby tells me THE REFLECTING SKIN is plenty strange, too
(but I ain't been able to track it down)


Have fun! ;-)


peace,
jrwp

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'I rented a movie Allegro Non Troppo' yestyerday.  It is a Spainish
'Fantasia'.  If you like Classical music and you especially like
classical music on acid then this movie is for you.  It is more mature
than Fantasia, and more humorous.  It has some vivid social commentary on
man's conquer/destruction of nature.


of hugging trees, has never hugged a tree.


Jeremy Matz

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Hi folks,

Axeman writes:

>  Take a Polaroid snapshot of something and watch it slowly transform from a
>  white blob into a nifty picture..

 I heard about this really neat trick from a FOAF: He had a Polaroid
camera that could do double-exposures, that is, put two pictures on
top of each other, on the same paper (I'm not sure if this camera was
broken, it was discovered by a fortunate mistake!). They first
photographed the Guns'n'Roses t-shirt on one dude, a shirt with lots
of red roses on. Then they photographed themselves, three guys, wasted
beyond belief, with this 'OoohmyGOD I'm gonna get my picture on a
little piece of paper, isn't that the most fantastic thing that *ever*
could happen"-look on their face. The dude in the middle of the
picture screamed out loud when the flash went off, so he ended up with
this big rose planted in his wide open mouth!

 Watching this picture develop was really far out, especially since
the film was a few years old! The colors were really funky, the bright
red turned out sort of earthy brownish. Great fun, and a nice memory
form the trip!
--
Cheers,

            Misha
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Date: 11-24-92 (06:23)             Number: 24
From: ERIK BAILEY                  Refer#: NONE
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In article  ringo@craft
camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo) writes:
>ac@cheshire.oxy.edu (Aileen Cho) writes:
>>  Koyaaniqatsi?  Blue Velvet?
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Wholly shit. I saw that with Philip Glass live in Burlington. Nothing but
>NOTHING has fucked my head more than that flick. I didn't know whether to
>laugh or to cry when it was over. So I did both. I have never seen it
>tripping, but I think that that, Koyannisqatsi, and its sister movie
>Powaqqatsi would be WAY heavy. In other words, give it a go!

Powaqqatsi -- saw it tripping -- blew me away (BTW - *buy the soundtrack!!!*)
Koyaanisqatsi -- saw it sober -- blew me away (not quite as good a soundtrack)

Go figure. :-)

--Erik

--
Erik Bailey   | Cambridge Technology Partners      | The usual disclaimer
              | 304 Vassar St., Cambridge MA 02139 | applies: this post is
ebail@ctp.com | (617) 374-8418                     | mine, not my employer's.
      /earth is 98% full; please remove any excess inhabitants.

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Date: 11-29-92 (11:11)             Number: 43
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A freind of mine took the trouble to type this in to post in
a local newsgroup, but I thought it deserved to be
distributed a little further.

(I get the feeling that folks into Ecstacy will probably
shrug this one off as being too hostile, but even if you
don't like the general tone, I think it's worth reading for
the scientific content...)


This letter appeared in "The Biochemist" Oct/Nov, 1992 which is the bi-monthly
newsletter for the British Society of Biochemists (I think)

Ecstasy: rave now, pay later?

The hallucinogenic amphetamine "Ecstasy" (methylendioxymethamphetamine,MDMA)
is the illegal drug with the fastest growth in popularity over the past few
years. Scarcely a week goes by without a newspaper report or a television
programme about MDMA: a new seizure of a record quantity of the drug or
the death of someone who has taken Ecstasy. Use of this drug is now firmly
established in youth culture in the UK., and is closely associated with the
popular "rave" music: the pounding 100 beats-per-minute of the music is
mirrored in the rapid heart beat induced by Ecstasy. Many people regard this
drug as extremely safe, although this concept is no longer borne out by
recent clinical and neurochemical evidence.

In some parts of the world, MDMA was used clinically during psychotherapy
because the drug is said to lower emotional barriers which help communication
between the psychotherapist and patient.  Other effects of the drug are a
euphoric mood elevation and alterations in perception that are similar to
those found with other hallucinogenic drugs such as LSD. In addition, Ecstasy
produces increased activity: and effect that is similar to d-amphetamine
(speed).  There are also many adverse side-effects of MDMA including
temperature elevation, dehydration, increased cardiac output, arrhythmia
and hypertension.  In some cases the side-effects are lethal: death can
occur as a consequence of temperature elevation and dehydration, producing
haemorrhage, intravascular coagulation and rhabdomyolysis.  There were
over a dozen deaths attributed to Ecstasy last year, most of which occurred
when the drug users consumed MDMA at a night-club or party.

One of the main neurochemical actions of MDMA is that of an "indirect agonist"
of the neurotransmitter 5-hydroxytryptamine (5-HT).  MDMA binds to the 5-HT
transporter with high affinity and is thought to block t and d-amphetamine
which block the uptake of dopamine by blocking the dopamine transporter.
Another effect of MDMA binding to the 5-HT transporter is the  induction
of a massive release of 5-HT from nerve terminals.  Thus, 5-HT which is
released in many parts of the brain contributes to the mood-altering and
temperature elevating effects of MDMA.  Released 5-HT also modulates the
activity of other neurones, including the same dopamine cells which are
affected by cocaine and opiates.

One mystery of MDMA is why it produces hallucinogenic like effects when there
are other indirect 5-HT agonists (some are used clinically as anorexic and
antidepressant drugs) which do not.  One reason for this may be that MDMA
has a high binding affinity to other membrane proteins including the
5-HT2 receptor subtype that is a known target for the hallucinogen, LSD.
Therefore this interaction may contribute to some of the hallucinogenic
effects of MDMA.

It is not clear whether MDMA may be addictive, since animals will readily
self-administer the drug, but not to the same extent as cocaine,  nicotine
or opiates.  It is certainly not clear whether humans become addicted
to the drug, but in a similar way to cocaine or amphetamine, "binge" use
of MDMA is likely to lead to depletion of 5-HT stores in the brain that
can lead to depression and anhedonia: these feelings may lead to more
frequent drug use.

Does Ecstasy produce brain damage?

Apart form the worrying question of whether MDMA is addictive, there is also
a question of its potential neurotoxicity.  Much research, particularly at
John's Hopkins Medical School and the Addiction Research Centre in Baltimore,
has now been carried out on the long-term effects of MDMA of 5-HT neurones
in rodents and non-human primates.  These studies produce very consistent
findings: that between 4 and 8 injections of MDMA (2.5-20mg/kg) profoundly
affects neurones which synthesise 5-HT.  Microscopic analyses show that
markers of serotonin neurones simply disappear: levels of tryptophan
hydroxylase
and the serotonin transporter protein are reduced markedly and levels of
serotonin can drop to 20% of control levels in some brain regions.  These
effects are long-lasting: in rats, serotonin levels did not recover
for two years after MDMA administration.

The neurotoxic component of MDMA is not known.  It is possible that MDMA
enters 5-HT nerve terminals and is metabolised into a quinoid or other
free-radical producing substance which can damage 5-HT neurones such as
tryptophan hydroxylase.  Another line of evidence suggests that the MDMA
neurotoxin may be a metabolite of dopamine. Whatever the toxin turns out to
be, it is a very interesting question since an understanding of the
mechanism of MDMA-induced neurotoxicity may help unravel the mechanisms
of 5-HT cell death in the CNS.

The long-term consequences of MDMA abuse in man is not known. At the present
time, despite many years of effort, the precise role of the 5-HT system in
the human brain makes it difficult to predict the effects of 5-HT neurone
degeneration. Animals which have been injected with MDMA seem remarkably
normal considering the extent of their loss of serotonin.  In humans, the
suspicion is that loss of 5-HT will lead to long-term loss of control over
mood: perhaps anxiety or depression, or other effects such as psychosis or
Parkinson's disease which may result from loss of 5-HT control of dopamine
cells.  Indeed, there have been some reports of psychoses induced by long-
term MDMA use, but it is difficult to relate these cases directly to use
of the drug.  There is a clear need for further study into the effects
of this drug on the human brain by use of techniques such as PET, in order
to assess whether MDMA will produce long-term neurological effects on any
of the hundreds of thousands of young people who continue to take this drug.

Marcus Rattray
Division of Biochemistry, UMDS,
Guy's Hospital,
University of London



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Date: 01-19-93 (23:33)             Number: 49
From: MIDNITE WOMBAT               Refer#: NONE
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In article  dc@ais.org (David Daniels) writes:
>hjel@ellis.uchicago.edu (Death-PartyCentral) writes:

>>a few years ago my friend wrote me out a list of things i should
>>do while tripping.  here they are, feel free to add as you wish....
>>

Here are a few random comments about things on the list from my own
experience:

>>      THINGS TO DO WHILE TRIPPING
>
>>7. DON'T look at TV as it will make you sick
>>      -a good movie is ok though

I dunno, TV either bores me or amuses me while tripping. Once, a bunch of
friends and I watched the static for a good 30 minutes or so, and then found
one of those horrible half-hour paid advertisement shows. It was for this
thing called "The Flow"..basically a long cellophane-like tube filled with
blue water. All these people were sliding it around and swinging it, talking
about how it enhances their spirituality and all sorts of nonsense. It was
hilarious!

>>9. Play depth-perception games.  Look at things far away
>>(stars are best) and try and guess which is closest

Re: stars..I had a great time one night laying on my back and looking up at
the stars on a really clear night. I saw hundreds of pictures, formed by
lines between the stars. It was really incredible looking. Woulda been even
better if I knew where constellations were.

>>13. Look at trees

Always fun..

>19. Try to use computer, ignoring the fact that your monitor is melting.

Once, I tripped by myself and sat in front of the computer the entire time.
I called a MOO for a few hours (text-based multi player virtual reality
sorta thing), and then just sat there and wrote a giant 'essay' on the human
thought process and other interesting (at the time) things. Although
everything around me was melting, and I kept seeing 'things' crawl down my
walls, the screen was perfectly clear..and I could type fine. I guess since
for that trip the computer was an integral part, I wasn't inhibited when it
came to using it.

>21. Never forget where your cigerettes are.

Quit smoking!

>23. Play with thermostat. (Can be dangerous to your trip if non-trippers are
>    to be effected by the temperature)

A FOAF was convinced that he was in Hell once because someone turned his
thermostat up to 100 degrees or something around there. The guy took off all
his clothes and ran around the house screaming "I'm caught in a loop" for
some rediculous amount of time.

>24. Swim.

By far one of the best tripping activities.

--Midnite

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In article <891034d.25.727740622@axe.acadiau.ca> 891034d@axe.acadiau.ca
(PETER DEARMAN) writes:
>
>
>My faves.
>
>Of course Floyd.  But I'm pretty into noise bands.  I've had my mind blown
>before by Husker Du's album, Zen Arcade.  Other albums that reallyt did it
>for me are Sonic Youth (most anything but especially Daydream Nation, and
>the Ciccone Youth Whitey Album), Butthole Surfers (anything), Big Black (
>Songs About Fucking).
>
>There is also lots of techno that is so complicated that it is impossible to
>not be overwhelmed by.  I don't like techno that much normally though.  Al
>Jorgenson is in several techno bands that do the trick.
>
>But of course Floyd.
>

How about Beethoven's 9th? Now *that's* some serious tripping metal!

(No, I'm not kidding!)

Mark B.

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     I want to know what album people like to listen to stoned.  I know that
it
is hard to just pick one album that people like to listen to, however I also
know that there is usually one or two albums that a person may listen too that
really just soungs right.
     I personally recommend the album "Black Eyed Man" by the Cowboy Junkies.
This album is just spectacular.  It has just a perfect layed back feeling.
The
sound is just one that I never get tired of.
     What do you all think.

                                        Lance

P.S  dont mind the spelling.  What do I need to spell for , I'm an English
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In article <1993Jan27.111110.10227@iscsvax.uni.edu> koch7243@iscsvax.uni.edu
writes:
>
>
>
>     I want to know what album people like to listen to stoned.  I know that
it

Even if you think you hate the Grateful Dead, give American Beauty a
listen. One of the few Dead studio albums that stands on its own as
an excellent work.


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 ...More than just ashes                                 Jim Petersen
When your dreams come true               petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

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In article <1993Jan27.111110.10227@iscsvax.uni.edu> koch7243@iscsvax.uni.edu
writes:
>     I want to know what album people like to listen to stoned.  I know that
it
>is hard to just pick one album that people like to listen to, however I also
>know that there is usually one or two albums that a person may listen too
that
>really just soungs right.
>     I personally recommend the album "Black Eyed Man" by the Cowboy
Junkies.
>This album is just spectacular.  It has just a perfect layed back feeling.
The
>sound is just one that I never get tired of.
>     What do you all think.
>
>                                        Lance
>
>P.S  dont mind the spelling.  What do I need to spell for , I'm an English
>major

     I think we had a discussion earlier about music to listen to while
tripping, but I think there is definitely a different set of tunes to listen
to while st0ned.  I think that Simon and Garfunkel is a definite thumbs up,
along with the beetles and the Junkies.  I also prefer some Pink Floyd, and
occasionally some Crosby, STills, Nash (and Young).  Real mellow tunes, maybe
a bit on the psyedelic side too........

Mike Maryo


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df@sdf.lonestar.org (daniel finster) writes:

>Einstuerzende Neubauten

The track 'ZNS' on Strategies Against Architechture I is one of
my very favorites.

Cheers,
paul
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In a previous article, nwoodard@dante.nmsu.edu (WOODARD) says:

>I am getting sick of hearing all you druggies encouring kids to use
>drugs. Its bad enough that you are using crack and heroin, cousting us
>honest taxpayers billions in crime and medicine. But you want to ruin
>the future of our kids as well!
>
>There is obviously one solution to you drug f**kups. We need to throw
>anyone caught using drugs out of the country. Revoke all citizenship,
>and forbid one step back into this country. If you do return, punish
>by death. (Lethal injection - how appropriate)
>
>This country is going to hell. And it is all you f**kers fault!
>
>
>
>Drug Free and PROUD of it.
>
uuhh I feel a flame coming on......
You mister Woodward, with no dick, who dares to insult this usenet  group who
are legally supporting their beliefs. You sir, and I use that term loosly,
should keep his stupid mouth shut. You must have had many problems in your
life so some of us will forgive your ignorant ravings about taking
citizenship,
and shooting people up with drugs. In other words Mr. Woodward you are a
fucker
for wishing anything so insane upon your fellow human beings. And as Lao Tzu
said:   One who knows does not speak;
        One who speaks does not know.
--
One can only truly appereciate moderation until they have experinced excess!
Death to the weakling! Wealth to the strong!
disclaimer:===> This is all a lie and I don't believe a word of it......!!!

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Saturday January 23 1993, David John Kunz writes to All:

 >> How about Beethoven's 9th? Now *that's* some serious tripping metal!

 DJK> That's got to be the greatest piece of music in the history
 DJK> of the world.  Sends me to some higher zone without any
 DJK> chemical assistance whatsoever.  I can only imagine what it
 DJK> would do to me *with* such assistance.

         Try to get hold of a copy of Orff's O Fortuna.. Early 20th century
Heavy metal

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X-Anon-To:alt.drugs

Here are my current favorites to listen to while reality
has been altered (it tends to change):

Monster Magnet - Spine of God
        On the inside is says "It's a satanic drug thing...
        you wouldn't understand" and has little drawings
        of paraphenalia around the front.
        The recording is shitty, have to turn it up, but the
        sound is rad.

PJ Harvey - Dry - The first song is my favorite "O My
        Lover", cool sound, hard to describe.

I know this is an old thread, but I still like to see what
others listen to.

/dev/high
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petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jim Petersen) writes:

> In article <1k4s7eINNj8b@calvin.usc.edu> alves@calvin.usc.edu (William
Alves)
> >It's been pointed out before that this thread often becomes just a list
> >of what each person likes. Of course this is subjective, but I am
> >interested in people's recommendations on a specific genre: Psychedelic
> >Music.
> >
> >Now, I do NOT mean Grateful Dead-type acid rock over blues progressions;
> >I do NOT mean techno, noise music, industrial, etc. though I have nothing
> >against those genres. The music I am thinking of was produced mainly
> >between, say, 1966 and 1974. It usually has kaleidoscopic mixes of real
> >sounds, often people speaking, tape loops, sudden changes in mood, weird
> >effects, psychedelic lyrics.
> >
>
> Well, of course one mustn't forget the first Pink Floyd album--
> Piper at the Gates of Dawn. It's one of the great psyechdelic
> albums of all time.
>
> Also, you could check into the Dukes of Stratosphear, who have a
> very psychedelic (a self-conscious send-up of psyechdelia actually,
> but the tunes are catchy and it's fun listening) EP called
> 25 O'Clock, and a somewhat less psychedelic album called... something
> else. Then there is a CD which has both the ep and the album, called
> something silly like Chocolate Marshmallow Alarm Clock or somesuch.
> There's only one Dukes of Stratosphear CD so you'll know it when
> you see it...  I have the CD and it's fun to listen to some times.
> Oh, the Dukes are actually the English pop group XTC in disguise...
>
> (I've always wondered about XTC.... were they ahead of their time
> by naming themselves after MDMA way back in 1978, or is their name
> simply a reference to the emotion?)
> --
> _____________________________________________________________________
>  ...More than just ashes                                 Jim Petersen
> When your dreams come true               petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

Negativeland is another band that fits this "montage" definition. They
have one about "Number nine, and the letter G" that is REALLY odd/laughy!
                        >matt<

Sig files?!?!?!? *WE* don' NEED no stinkin' Sig files!
busker@seanews.akita.com

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Subj: Fun things to do while st      Conf: (43) Alt-Drug
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In article <1993Jan30.230201.24114@reed.edu> jcherney@reed.edu writes:
>Michael J Maryo (U) writes
>>      On the topic of Bowling, has anyone tried it while st0ned?  I just
>> did recently.  It is strange, because I find that I can bowl just as good
>> when I am st0ned, but I laugh a lot with friends and goof off and still
bowl
>> 180s-200s.  Kinda cool.  When I'm drunk I bowl closer to the 120s... not
too
>> good for me.  ;-)  Anyone out there a bowler for a University?  Send me
>> E-Mail if so!
>
>Right on!  This can be one of the most joyful things in existence.  The
first time I hit a
>strike, I was messed up enough to begin singing the Happy Happy Joy Joy song
at the top of my
>lungs with all my friends.
>
>Re: Alcohol versus pot... I easily notice the difference in terms of
coordination.  I can be
>stoned, shrooming, or whatever... but I'm still mostly in control.  I can
play Streetfighter
>II in most any altered state of conciousness and still kick butt, but after
a beer or two, my
>skills go WAY downhill.

        Boy, that message ^^^^ got a little messed up.  ANyway, yeah, that's
cool.  I love to bowl while stoned.  It is really cool.  I completely forgot
about video games.  There is a game here called _Mortal Kombat_ which is
kinda like street fighter except that it is much more graphic and has a lot
of blood spurts, etc.  It looks so life-like compared to street fighter
and doesn't FLASH like street fighter does.  ANyway, me and a friend played
it one time while stoned.  It was really cool.  We were REALLY st0ned and
weren't playing as well as we normally do, but we were laughing so hard it
was unbelievable.  The people around us MUST have known we were under the
influence of something.  It was great.  A definite "MUST-DO" while st0ned.

Mike Maryo   mmaryo@udecc.engr.udayton.edu


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From: PAT MONARDO                  Refer#: NONE
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In article  ibarrett@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (I G
Barrett) writes:
>
>Hi,
>
>Last year someone posted a list of movies to watch while tripping, but
>unfortunately I have lost my copy of this.  If anyone still has this list
>or has any recommendations please email or post.  Also any recommendations
>for music.  Please include comments on content, mood induced etc. if you
>like.
>

Hitchcock's "Rear Window"

--
-- Pat Monardo
-- pjm@cshl.org

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"Alan S. Ferrency"  writes:

>For music that fits the description you gave, the first thing that comes to
>my mind is Frank Zappa, which, interestingly enough, was created without the
>influence of drugs at all, no matter how much it sounds like drug music
>(in other words, Frank did no drugs.)

        Frank didn't take drugs, but he says that many of the members
of his band were very into acid.  While I imagine that even with his
first band, FZ was a very domineering leader; the other band members
certainly had to have SOME influence.  Moreover, FZ had to be influenced
at least in a small way by the music scene around him.

        I have several Zappa albums, and would recommend "Uncle Meat" as
the trippiest one I have.  "Weasels ripped my flesh" is also high on the
list.

--
 --  Tony Pulokas
     University of Illinois, Urbana/Champaign
     College of Engineering

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>>In article <1993Jan27.111110.10227@iscsvax.uni.edu> koch7243@i
csvax.uni.edu writes:
>>>     I want to know what album people like to listen to stoned.  I know
that i
Anything by the Velvet Underground, especially "Waiting for My Man,"
"Heroin," and "Sweet Jane" (all for somewhat obvious reasons).
Anything by King Missile, especially "Jesus Was Way Cool," "Cheesecake
Truck," "Take Stuff From Work," "I Wish," and, of course, "Detachable
Penis."
I would also like to second Philip Glass. I fully intend to watch
"Koyaanisqatsi" while in an altered state one of these days-- should
be an experience.

--
Jeremy Bierbach                                          Georgetown University

This posting does not reflect the opinions of the National Security Agency,
and
            will therefore end up in the big file reserved for me.
                   < bierbach@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu >

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johneco@cns.nyu.edu (John Econopouly) writes:

These are the classics for me when I'm wasted, depending on my mood:

mellow:
Eno - Another Green World, Before and After Science (side2)
Syd Barret - First Album
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue (when the party is slowing down..)
jj Cale - "5"

medium:
Eno - My life in the Bush of Ghosts (very trippy)
John Lee Hooker - 60's stuff (if you want to feel cool)
Pink Floyd - Wish you Were Here

energy:
Public Enemy - Fear of a Black Planet (amazing trippy sound canvas/jam,
good dancing)
Screaming Jay Hawkins - Frenzy (especially side 1, what a wildman, very
funny)
Hendrix - Smash Hits
Led Zeppelin - Prescence
P-funk - Mothership connection, Maggot Brain (amazing live if you're
wasted),
Black Sabbath - Sabotage
Jane's Addiction - First Album
James Brown - Greatest Hits from 67 - 74

Try some out.
Let me know how it goes.
j

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        Here I am, sitting at the terminal, with the first Jane's CD in the
portable, with Wish You Were Here in the case beside it.  Also, Pantera's
'Cowboys from Hell' is sitting here, but I prefer the latest.
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Previously...Many movies to see while tripping...

Such as..


> >>       Brain Dead
> >>       Jacob's Ladder
> >>       Mancing Southeast (dubbed from Brazillian)
> >>       Evil Dead and Evil Dead II
> >>       The Mind's Eye <----- computer graphics
> >>       Beyond the Mind's Eye <---- Semi new, extension of above theme
> >>
> >>
> >>               Rodney

and...

> >        Videodrome
> >        Rainbow Bridge
> >        Wizards (yes a cartoon)
> >        Heavy Metal (I have a perfect copy---e-mail me iyou want one)
> >        Naked Lunch
> >        Communion
> >
> >peace, dan

I would like to add the following...

        Hardware (Not for the weak minded! but makes for an INTENSE trip)
        Edward scissorhands (sp?)
   !^^!
   !  !
   !  !
   !  !
   !  !
!^^!  !^^!
! Kulgan !
!^^!  !^^!
   !  !
   !^^!




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In article  shoe@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mark
Shoesmith) writes:
>
>... stuff deleted ...
>
>The most bizarre music I've ever heard while tripping was something by
>John Cage.  This guy composes music with dice or some form of randomness,
>and it contains a lot of odd instruments played in some very abnormal ways.
>It doesn't sound like much when you are straight, but it can push an acid
>trip in some rather interesting directions.

I agree that the "new music" for which John Cage was famous can often be
best appreciated while zooming.  He experimented quite a bit with
stochastic processes for creating music.  The I Ching was his favorite
source of stochastic variation, but dice, computer random number generators
and randomly turning a radio dial were also employed in various pieces.

His biggest claim to fame (IMHO) was when his piece entitled "3:03 seconds
of silence on the piano" was performed.  The musical score for this consisted
of traditional music notation showing a series of rests that amount to
a duration of three minutes and three seconds (I'm not sure about the exact
number of seconds but it was definitely between 3 and 4 minutes).  In
concert this was performed with great precision by a pianist who goes
through all the formalities of a piano recital (including turning the pages
of the music at the appropriate times) without ever striking a note. This
"stunt" got Cage summoned to testify before the House Un-American Activities
Committee as a suspected communist. This was back in the days when communists,
NOT DOPE FIENDS, where used as the scapegoats to blame for all of the
evils confronting society.

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